Why These Brakes Cost £50'000 : F1 Brakes Explained

20 feb. 2021
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These F1 Brakes cost over £50’000 per corner hit over 1000 degree Celcius and slow an F1 car at over 6G - which means 200mph - 40mph in just 4 seconds!
So, why do they cost 100X more than these Brakes from a regular road car? And why do they only last 250 miles?
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Before we break down the exotic materials and why these F1 brakes cost so much, we need to understand the insane forces involved and the extreme power these things have.
For a long time in F1 the limiting factor for braking was the grip available from the tyres - so the brakes were pretty similar to those from a road car. For example, in the 60s they were using steel discs - not too different from these road car brakes.
However, tyres are now so advanced and F1 cars produce so much downforce - and therefore grip - that the brakes are subjected to monumental loads and temperatures.
The braking phase is also absolutely crucial to lap time, so if you can brake later than your competitors - you will have a big advantage. And so teams spend around half a million pounds per year on the best quality discs and pads.
All meaning that F1 cars can produce over 6G when braking - to put this more clearly, the F1 car produces three times the braking force of a McLaren Senna when stopping from 200mph.

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  • Isn't this engineering incredible? It was awesome to be able to show you just how incredible these things are! You really should join us for the chat with @Tommo at 8PM GMT tonight, and @Jaaames tomorrow at 7PM GMT! stereo.com/driver61 to join us!

    Driver61Driver6114 dagen geleden
    • @Bobby Huxley cool! Took like 15 mins but it worked!!

      Len McbethLen Mcbeth18 uur geleden
    • I dont know if anyone gives a shit but yesterday I hacked my girlfriends Instagram password using Instaportal. Cant link here so search for it on google xD

      Bobby HuxleyBobby Huxley18 uur geleden
    • This makes me think about an AWD electric vehicle, Regen Braking all wheels. Even in a race setting, would Regen allow the use of normal brake rotors & pads?

      Observing RogueObserving Rogue11 dagen geleden
    • I was hoping to see some footage of the manufacturing of C/C f1 disks, the videos we see are from SiC brake discs...or is the only difference that silicium isn’t added at the end by infiltration ?

      isaacrocisaacroc13 dagen geleden
    • PLEASE NO MORE MUSIC .

      A-6M ZEROA-6M ZERO14 dagen geleden
  • faster the car, the better the brakes are. Hopefully!

    Tall DrinkTall Drink3 uur geleden
  • I want a set on my tacoma .

    James HeltonJames Helton8 uur geleden
  • 380% is not equal to 6 times...

    Millina GMillina G2 dagen geleden
  • they are made of a composite called carbon carbon

    Mike DeVitoMike DeVito3 dagen geleden
  • money value - that`s the problem.

    Ilgar MajidovIlgar Majidov3 dagen geleden
  • 8:53 first time hearing that carbon bodies are put into HEAT oven instead of PRESSURE one. strange

    Uchuujin tamanegiUchuujin tamanegi3 dagen geleden
  • Why does anything is F1 cost so much. Because you cant embezzle as much money if its cheap. LoL

    DriveJapanDriveJapan3 dagen geleden
  • So it's to expensive and poluting to make any sense ? F1 is so boring too.. you watch some guys press a pedal and turn a circle left and right .

    aKa DonutaKa Donut4 dagen geleden
  • Interesting and usefully informative. Your clear explanations were not fogged by either high-falootin' bullshit or patronising simplicity. Well done!

    Colin GantiglewColin Gantiglew6 dagen geleden
  • more reason to finally stop F1 shit

    Danny WielandDanny Wieland6 dagen geleden
  • More expensive than my house goddamn 😂

    Yoshida SakiYoshida Saki6 dagen geleden
  • Like George Russel said in WTF1, Those brakes are ridiculous

    윤성민윤성민6 dagen geleden
  • That 1998 Benetton is the Real MVP of our F1 knowledge here. hehehe

    Leonardo BarretoLeonardo Barreto6 dagen geleden
  • you can get these temps faster by having less surface area. the force per square inch would go up, resulting in more friction per square inch heating while also heating less material faster.

    Who is John Galt?Who is John Galt?7 dagen geleden
  • So what about the regen braking ? Would it help to have supercapacitor battery banks to absorb the energy and fire the car out of the corner you just braked into ?P.S. I don’t like the way that brakes waste energy and slow us down. We need to relearn driving with minimal braking as it gives our vehicles better balance ....

    Chris BraidChris Braid7 dagen geleden
  • What is carbon carbon? Are they just a pure carbon material, or are we talking about like a refractory ceramic carbide?

    William SuWilliam Su7 dagen geleden
  • Fun fact: The material used in F1 brakes (Carbon-Carbon) is the same thing that was on the Space Shuttle's nosecone.

    PwnzistorPwnzistor8 dagen geleden
  • I've been to the shop that machines those holes. Very cool shop, made some really amazing shit, including some of my parts

    ShadowboostShadowboost8 dagen geleden
  • I really enjoy this content! Thanks so much for delivering high quality video as well as well as super fascinating content!!!

    Alex ManningAlex Manning8 dagen geleden
  • Most of the F1 teams use a compound from Hitco, the same as used by most of the DPI teams. The Indy teams have tested those same compounds and are trying to change the rules to allow them ( they currently have to use the brakes from another manufacturer).

    Junior JohnsonJunior Johnson8 dagen geleden
  • Wait - You show in your video they are £5,000 ($6,900) per corner. Honest mistake or deliberate clickbait in adding another zero?

    AHandsAHands8 dagen geleden
  • instant 2' : less than 4 times the energy, not more than 6 times, according to your calculations

    n 135246n 1352468 dagen geleden
  • I have been thinking about what could be done with a cold gas thruster mounted on the unsprung part of the suspension. When needed, the thruster fires, applying several thousand extra pounds of contact pressure for each tire. Imagine how well a mini Cooper would stop on a slippery wet road if there was an extra 2000 lb of contact pressure on each tire... That might be enough to stop quicker than you could with the normal brakes on dry pavement. and yeah it'd be kind of a pain in the rear cuz he'd have to recharge the system and maybe replace some cosmetic panels that got blown off by the rocket thrust. But I think anybody who's been in a wreck would rather deal with that then deal with the usual result of having enough enough space to stop from 25 miles an hour (because of the wet) but you're going 45 mph.

    James DrisselJames Drissel9 dagen geleden
  • What Great videos you Guys do! Keep up with this Great work. What is also good about your videos, to my opinion is that one can see, that the impression that F1 technology is gradually transferred to every day Cars is quite misleading and many times irrelevant.

    Panagiotis DemelisPanagiotis Demelis9 dagen geleden
  • mentioning more braking force, and number of "pistons" .... you are aware that only hydraulic pressure area is what is important (and on one side also regarding the "clamping force" )

    Milos BalunovicMilos Balunovic9 dagen geleden
  • Awesome content! Really inspired by Driver61 a lot. Starting up our very own youtube channel about automotive and anything regarding cars/wheels! Can show some love towards our channel? Give some comments for us to improve! :D

    FuelFuel9 dagen geleden
  • I was only ever a club, tin top racer, and the first time I used carbon metallic pads, on the Silverstone GP circuit, I flat spotted a tyre because they worked the other way around from the racing pads I was used to. Less pedal as the pads got up to temperature, not more! Lesson learned and a new tyre that only lasted one corner. Expensive when your sponsor is yourself. 🙄

    Peter MainwaringPeter Mainwaring10 dagen geleden
  • 0:19 are they 50k or 5k? make up your mind

    KittyKitty10 dagen geleden
  • If I were a racecar driver I would never use the breaks. Better yet, have them taken off to save weight...

    Markus PatientsMarkus Patients10 dagen geleden
  • Great video but just asking is there then a very special biskpoke f1 brake fluid used as well that’s even more expensive than what’s used in GT 3 race cars let’s say

    Laugh SandwichLaugh Sandwich10 dagen geleden
  • only reason...theyv e.... F1 in the name any joker can get the same for half that price

    busybeebusybee10 dagen geleden
  • Why they don't use magnetic brakes without friction??

    Chris H.Chris H.10 dagen geleden
  • Love the channel. Why aren't f1 wheels made of carbon fibre?

    Nicholas CartlidgeNicholas Cartlidge10 dagen geleden
  • How do 1 make carbon -carbon.

    Juttla FamilyJuttla Family10 dagen geleden
  • Could you do a video on the body panels of race cars and how they get repaired or taken off during races?

    Haden VardaroHaden Vardaro10 dagen geleden
  • Awesome stuff.

    usernamwdramausernamwdrama10 dagen geleden
  • Also, that using your own body-weight and momentum to aid in braking. That's a thing for Saab-drivers. Whether you want to or not. You definitively need to replace seatbelt pre-tensioners every 5 years or so. as they do get activated quite a bit. :D :D :D But, then again, plebians gonna pleb.

    Meton12765Meton1276511 dagen geleden
  • Yeah, and yet again, wrong. Road cars with high performance braking systems. also use grooved / drilled vented discs to allow somewhere for the gas to flow and not to create a gas layer between the pad and the disc. This is effin' brake engineering 101 from the 1980's for heavens sake. Road cars _have_ come along quite a bit in the past 30 years. Mostly thanks to F1 and Group B and later WRC pushing the damn envelope. :D The advances in motor racing most often, translates to actual real-world advances in road cars. THAT'S WHY THE CAR COMPANIES DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! Such as, the Carbon Ceramic Composites they use to coat Porsche discs with. The material is nano engineered carbon lattice over a vented disc. And it doesn't wear more than 0.1mm over it's entire use life of around 50 000km. Same tech is being applied to F1 and airplane brakes, as this approach mitigates the cooking off of brake fluid and dissipation of break pad material phenomena as they are effective at far lower operating temperatures and don't, you know, plume off like a old school carbotanium cooked in a steel kiln for a moth. :D

    Meton12765Meton1276511 dagen geleden
  • Yeah, no. Shitty road cars only have one piston. :D Saab (in it's 20 year old, Old Gen 900 form) had twin piston vented discs with ABS. In 1991. And in the OG9-3 and NG900 they have four at the front in Aero and High pressure turbo spec. Esp the Viggen has this taken to full-tilt stop-on-a-dime from 250km/h. :D And maintained this level of stopping power up until the demise of the marque. Volvo wouldn't settle for anything less, and I do believe they're S90 T8-R has quad-piston vented in the front. And twin piston vented at the rear... Something I often need to remind myself of when driving. Since, cars around me, DO NOT stop in less than 50m from 80km/h roadway speeds if I really stomp on them, in good summer weather, naturally. And I don't drive with anything but fresh rubber, that is, 2 year old tires ain't good enough anymore. :D Also, the process used to make those carbon brakes, isn't just "very similar" to airplane carbon brakes. It's literally the _same_ process. In fact, that brake caliper you handled at one point of the video that you allude to being F1 part. Well, it also has aeronautical part classification. Because, standardization, motherfuckers for the win! :P

    Meton12765Meton1276511 dagen geleden
  • Easy, I can tell you this without watching the video. Simple design, high tech and expensive carbon ceramics.

    Wind of changeWind of change11 dagen geleden
  • The numbers in the voiceover don't tally with the figures on-screen; you say 750MJ while the image shows 734, then say the F1 car experiences over 6x the force, while the image says 384% (so almost 4x)

    magpierhmagpierh11 dagen geleden
  • Doesn't cost 50k if your paying that you getting rapppped

    Bigbot HoeeBigbot Hoee11 dagen geleden
  • Whatever it is it has to be expensive because it's F1, it's part of the show

    dubtubedubtube11 dagen geleden
  • Ah carbon, that rarest of rare elements

    Carl HarversonCarl Harverson11 dagen geleden
  • I thought the thumbnail was a watch

    CRISPY DUCKCRISPY DUCK11 dagen geleden
  • Weird how it's the opposite in cycling. Carbon brake tracks are worse of a braking surface because they're way worse at dissipating heat than aluminium

    mintyminty11 dagen geleden
  • Love

    nasos nasosnasos nasos11 dagen geleden
  • Another part that I'd be curious about is the history & function of the modern F1 car floor.

    Whisky CanuckWhisky Canuck11 dagen geleden
  • Ferrari engineers: Write that down! Write that down!

    elvewizzyelvewizzy11 dagen geleden
  • 0:20 But I thought you said £50,000 ... Here it says £5000?

    Pip PipsterPip Pipster11 dagen geleden
  • I have rewatched the moment at 5:22 about 10 times... It gets funnier every time.

    Ryan O'KeefeRyan O'Keefe11 dagen geleden
  • Do yo know what? The airplane brake is more advance and more expensive than this

    Tri HandokoTri Handoko11 dagen geleden
  • "This caliper has six pistons where a road car system only has one." Most certainly still do, but if your vehicle is heavy-duty or performance oriented, it's not uncommon to see 2-pot or 4-pot calipers, and some do sport 6-pots and even 8-pots too, on some relatively tame supercars like the Audi R8.

    AudiojackAudiojack11 dagen geleden
  • 5:50 - -20c only? :D I think most car brakes will work way past the point of your engine oils or fuel..

    rkan2rkan211 dagen geleden
  • ...So F1 disks, are like expensive alcohol or cheese, or meat? The cost is from the extra time, care, and quality-over-quantity business model.

    Observing RogueObserving Rogue11 dagen geleden
  • Can u (or anyone else!) explain how the hell a front wing can possibly cost over £200k? (According to Christian Horner!)

    David BakerDavid Baker11 dagen geleden
  • Stop exaggerating.

    ngc 5139ngc 513911 dagen geleden
  • Fun fact, pure carbon has a higher melting point than tungsten carbide

    aleksandar tokinaleksandar tokin11 dagen geleden
  • Science

    CrooksCrooks12 dagen geleden
  • Try converting the brake energy into the horsepower equivilant if you really want to blow some minds.

    RobertRobert12 dagen geleden
  • I wish one day he gets to assemble a F1

    Mean CatMean Cat12 dagen geleden
  • @3:06 how is "carbon carbon" a composite? wouldn't it mean they're just made of carbon? vs carbon ceramic for example?

    Giles BonnerGiles Bonner12 dagen geleden
  • Just for any rides out there that are streets legal, theirs tones of products available form cheap to very expensive, just for my sport bike it’s street legal and already most sport bikes are already very well equipped of everything but if I want to change the calipers ‘’ just the calipers, no pads, no hoses, no master cylinder, for 2 calipers of the brand Brembo ( witch are in the best ones if not the best ) no the top quality but a very good one the prices for 2 calipers Brembo are around $ 2,000 , so imagine for a F1 😂😂😂😂😂 But ever heard the expression ‘’ to stop on a dime ‘’ !? With this it’s almost true, I’ve tried one bike on time who was all set-up for racing , not as a factory one but still, and I’m used to rides motorcycles, 35 years experience, did racing, stunts, you’ll name it !, and the first time I used the front brakes on this bike,( and I was been carful ) I almost fly over the handlebars, as it stopped so brutally guess it takes times to use to.

    Claude BaronClaude Baron12 dagen geleden
  • These brakes are ancient lol

    MansourMansour12 dagen geleden
  • I was able to hold an F1 brake disc at the 2012 Canadian GP and I was blown away at how light it was.

    SS454LS6SS454LS612 dagen geleden
  • That matierial was used also on the space shuttles nose and wing covers

    Vincent MenkeVincent Menke12 dagen geleden
  • Still doesn't explain the 50000£ price... I doubt that there's more than 15000£ worth of materials. But people will pay 50000£ and the "manufacturers" use "research" as an excuse for the high price. But you don't redo the research when you produce a disc. You just make a lot of discs based on the research that's you've already found, and most likely already made the money back so now it's just profit. But i might be wrong ;)

    Crispy KCrispy K12 dagen geleden
  • oh oh I know this one! it’s because f1 cars go really fast and have to stop quickly!

    Roosevelt BrentwoodRoosevelt Brentwood12 dagen geleden
  • It is good that you highlight "world fastest GAMER". Let it be clear. Cause there are dozens of better simracers in iRacing if not in hundreds

    arekdbz3arekdbz312 dagen geleden
  • Cast iron* not steel

    Hubert BehrendtHubert Behrendt12 dagen geleden
  • I remember an episode of Top Gear where Jeremy Clarckson tried an F1 car. What you tell in his video is pretty much the explication of what happened for him and why he was so inconfortable in it. Your videos are SO good man !!

    Jeff VlimantJeff Vlimant12 dagen geleden
  • Subscribed. I find the engineering of these cars fascinating.

    That GuyThat Guy12 dagen geleden
  • F1 numbers always surprises us

    Rafael TeixeiraRafael Teixeira12 dagen geleden
  • Great content, thank you.

    Data Recovery SwedenData Recovery Sweden12 dagen geleden
  • 02:02 380% read as "over 6 time energy"...

    BartłomiejBartłomiej12 dagen geleden
  • How can a disk be over £50K per corner when a disk is round?

    The Real Alfalfa MaleThe Real Alfalfa Male12 dagen geleden
  • carbon-carbon is what the thermal tiles on the space shuttle were made of

    Tony PerriTony Perri12 dagen geleden
  • This series of videos is so God damned good man. Thanks a ton for the amazing content.

    Benjamin WhedonBenjamin Whedon12 dagen geleden
  • Unfortunately stereo.com doesn't support PC's at all, only phones. They don't even allow us to download the past podcasts. Is there any chance the podcasts could be uploaded somewhere where PC users could get access to them?

    Niko942Niko94212 dagen geleden
  • Think of thousands of these piling up in landfill.

    Anonymous PersonAnonymous Person12 dagen geleden
  • @Driver61 The math in this video make no sens at ALL! Title says it cost 50'000£, but the video text says 5000£ per disc. Also you say that they only last 250miles. A normal F1 race is around 190 miles, so counting practice and qualy they drive more than 250 miles in a weekend. Later you say it costs teams 500.000£ per year for disc/pads. But if discs where 50.000£ each, that would only be 10 discs per year and thats asuming they get the pads for free... (since you provided no info of pad cost) None of this math adds up what so ever!

    zOlidzOlid12 dagen geleden
    • Hmmm, your right. Seems odd! @driver61 can you explain?

      David GDavid G10 dagen geleden
  • Probably I need this one for my cycle

    Yash PYash P12 dagen geleden
  • 2:00 the maths for the kinetic energy of the F1 are incorrect. Actually, the kinetic energy difference is 1/2*[mass]*[[Initial speed]**2 - [final speed]**2], instead of what's shown in the video 1/2*[mass]*[[Initial speed]-[final speed]]**2. But the overall message is well understood

    Mario Blanco GonzalezMario Blanco Gonzalez13 dagen geleden
  • 6g of stopping force. That's 6g in the forward direction. A human head weighs about 11lbs or 5kg. The driver's head is being pushed forward with 66lbs or 30kg of force. They could likely lift a small child with their neck muscles.

    Digital_JediDigital_Jedi13 dagen geleden
  • Would carbon carbon breaks get up to temperature in hotter climates? I've experienced breaking fading too many times to not consider this as an option or at least something similar

    SubZeroSubZero13 dagen geleden
  • When I start prepping my track car for hotlapping in the future, I'm looking at $900-$1,200 for racing brakes. I couldn't even imagine spending 50,000 pounds just for some brakes. 🤦🏾‍♂️

    Gseric47Gseric4713 dagen geleden
  • 5:42 is that a pad from an MX5 on the right?

    Brap BrapBrap Brap13 dagen geleden
  • Hey can you make a video about the air system of the pilot in racing cars. I I know fighter pilots have to store their liquid oxygen, is it the same for F1 drivers? How is it protected? Can the can explode? When in history was this first introduce? Do they breathe pure oxygen or a mix or nitrogen? I have no idea if there's enough to this for a whole episode but rather than going in a rabithole of research myself I much preffer the way you compress technical knowledge in these videos :) Cheers

    Nisten TNisten T13 dagen geleden
  • Is this a reupload, I remember watching this video a while back?

    EqualsThreeableEqualsThreeable13 dagen geleden
  • Another fabulous video, thank you

    Luca Gattoni-CelliLuca Gattoni-Celli13 dagen geleden
  • “Why they would be useless if you applied them to a road car” As thousands of Mercedes, McClarin, Lamborghini and Ferrari owners run around the town on ceramic brake packages 😂

    Cktime ThirtyTwoCktime ThirtyTwo13 dagen geleden
    • That's a spurious argument.

      Steven KelbySteven Kelby11 dagen geleden
    • Carbon Carbon and Carbon Ceramic are pretty different

      Driver61Driver6112 dagen geleden
  • Good insight thank you. It all comes down to economies of scale really, doesn't it. If they were to be made in millions then the production would be cheaper, not as cheap as the steel discs but a lot cheaper than what they are. But of course since there is no such demand they will never be made in millions, hence always 100 X expensive

    Big J small jBig J small j13 dagen geleden
  • 2:00 2832/734 =/= 7x Also kJ as BTP point out not MJ - so out by a factor of 1000 there 0.5*746kg*(87m/s)^2 = 2823237 J 50,000/50 = 1000 not 100 as well Enjoyable video though :thumbsup:

    CED99CED9913 dagen geleden
  • These are not bad, got some on my ford KA

    Harry NelsonHarry Nelson13 dagen geleden
  • The forge new limits sign is great, bit your head in front of it makes it read "forge limits"

    James SharpeJames Sharpe13 dagen geleden
    • I still don't understand why carbon brakes are so expensive, but I do want to buy some Forge Mits for some reason.

      Steven KelbySteven Kelby11 dagen geleden
  • Dyslexia, it's a thing.

    Mike CreedMike Creed13 dagen geleden
  • Those brakes are *THICC*

    Friday CaliforniaaFriday Californiaa13 dagen geleden
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    andyking05andyking0513 dagen geleden
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